Talk:Main Page

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If we start to add the news to own categories we should avoid naming the news article with "News:" as prefix, because in the category listing everything would appear under the letter 'N'. The same problem occurs with programming articles (prefix "Programming:"). Maybe we should remove the prefix from this articles? --Octoate 10:12, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

Uh, good question... Somehow I like these prefixes, and as there are already sorted lists we even don't need the categories at all, but on the other hand you are also right. Don't know... -- Prodatron 13:59, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

I think we should keep the prefixes at least for the news, as the titles of this pages are not terms but small summary like sentences. -- Prodatron 16:49, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

As I still don´t understand why we have two search windows I repeat the question if we really need them both? ;-) --Villain 17:08, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

Yup. The second one (the top one) was added when the sidebar was so tall that the lower search field was out of the screen. Now the sidebar is too short, but it will probably grow again.... Gryzor 18:22, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

hey.. i'm just waiting for someone who tells me.. REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field and.. booom.. it will be gone :-D Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT

Hey Kanga, REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second search field! --Octoate 21:04, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

Don´t know if anybody else already told you but: REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field --Villain 21:09, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

Ok, have noticed the Wink with the Zaunpfahl :-) and i will do my job tomorrow, if i find time :-)

Ok, I removed it. Happy, y'all? :) Gryzor 20:00, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

TBH I like Gryzors rollback of the sidebar, as all the important main links should be mentioned there to have fast access from every point inside CPCWiki. With an usual screen resolution you should see the complete main part of the sidebar, so I don't see any problem with its length.

Regarding the main page, what's about redesigning it a little bit in the way of most other Wikis like Wikipedia? The main page shouldn't contain the complete site map. I like the style of Wikipedia much more. -- Prodatron 16:29, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Well, I differ in my opinion with yours. I don't like a big sidebar and prefer a good main page which can bring me directly to the different stuff in the Wiki, because you have much more room there to give a good entry point. Btw, I only use 1024x768 and I so I see it till "Software-Programming" in the sidebar (ok, will change if I get a new notebook someday ;)). Anyway, I will join the majority =). --Octoate 19:54, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

"Software-Programming" is your last visible entry? 8-O Maybe you choosed a font size of 300% and installed the Google, Yahoo and MSN toolbars at the same time? ;-)) My last entry is "Editing help", well, with 1280x1024. Ok, the sidebar could be still optimized, maybe we can move "About - contribute" to the end (it should be also mentioned on the start page) and remove "PD libraries" as an example (not so important for having an own entry point here IMHO). -- Prodatron 20:26, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Here at work I use 2560x1024, so there is no problem here. Maybe I will use a smaller font size and buy some glasses for my notebook ;-) --Octoate 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

The reason I rolled it back to a more expanded list (though I condensed the CPC models) is that, if it's not like that, then surely there's no reason in having a Sidebar? 8) Though I understand that on some resolutions (are you really on 1024?? :D ) the entire SIdebar may not be visible, I think that removing it altogether is much worse than having one that doesn't show in its entirety!

Concerning the main page, now, it should not be the only launching page - the user should not need to get to the homepage in order to jump to a different category, hence the use of the Sidebar. On the other hand I find it much more useful as it is right now, than like it was before, though it can be improved somewhat - I'll agree with Prodatron in that it looks somewhat 'dry' right now.Gryzor 20:05, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Oh come on.. wich BAST)(&" has modified the Sidebar again to that really useless and annoying list of unwanted links :-D Why dont use the mainpage AND the SEARCH to find content, instead of adding things wild, unorganized and useless to the sidebar?? Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT 21:49, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

You and Octo have your mainpage, and Gryzor and me have our sidebar. Everyone is happy now :-P -- Prodatron 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

=) --Octoate 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

I think it´s useful to have some more things on the Sidebar than before. But now it´s too much... As Prodi already said PD libraries should be kicked out, also clones and some others too... --Villain 21:57, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Sounds good! -- Prodatron 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

It did it in this way and moved "contribute" to the end. Is it better now? Btw, how can I clear the cache? -- Prodatron 22:04, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

The Bastard is me, I would guess. As I said, the reason for rolling it back is that under the short form, there is simply NO NEED for the sidebar. The sidebar is there for the reader to be able to navigate quickly to all parts of the wiki without having to go to the main page. It is NOT useless, certainly NOT unwanted (I use it all the time instead of the main page links) and I doubt it's annoying - the space is empty if you don't put links there, so it goes wasted. The Main Page is NOT the place to put links on and is much harder to use than the sidebar. Unorganized? I wouldn't think so - the structure is quite ok right now, if anyone can think of ways to improve it, please do step forward. It's not even wild, since it has been tamed a lot since its first appearance, and definitely not unorganized - see the little boxes that organise it? :p Gryzor 09:49, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

Now we have:

• Discussion
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• Talk:Main_Page

In the sidebar, "discussion page" is the main page talk, on the main page "discussion" is the discussion page. Maybe we should clean this up a little bit or create some definitions, what to write where? -- Prodatron 22:32, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Just for your motivation, it seems that very soon we are becoming the biggest Wiki project for any 8bit machine ever! :-) Let's beat this left one: [1] and then we are the number 1! Thanx a lot to all for your contributions! An especial "thank you" goes to Gryzor (project initiator), Kanagaroo (hoster) and all the very active persons like CPCLER, Ythcal, etc... (sad, that there is no "contribution top 10" as a "special page"). Did you ever think, that this great project would become SO sucessfull? -- Prodatron 00:59, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

This is bloody amazing!!! Of course in terms of visitors we're wwway behind but in terms of articles we're very near - and the c64 wiki has been around for... how much longer, really? Thanks for pointing out, though I'm not sure which aspect you meant :) Indeed it'd be really nice if we had a special page for top 10 contributors. Since there's no such page built-in, we may as well try and do it manually - we know each other anyway, and it'd be a nice way to acknowledge those who have taken this wiki so warmly... a huge thanks, people, and congrats!!! Gryzor 20:36, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

I was so free and reorganized the complete main page into the usual "wiki style". So the complete link list ("CPCWiki portal") has its own page now - we should improve this page, that nearly all articels can be found there directly or indirectly. Regarding the new main page maybe we can add even more sections like "article of the month" or something like this. -- Prodatron 02:40, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

Great. I like the new wikilike design. --Octoate 09:58, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

I am pleased to hear that! We just need to take care about the up-to-dateness. As an example, every one, who is inserting a new entry in the news section should also update the main page. I would also like to suggest and add some guidelines, which describe, what and how to add entries to the different sections in the main page to prevent uncontrolled growth. -- Prodatron 16:24, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

I like the new layout as well, it's meaningful and nicely put, although I think it can use a little cleaning over time :) I'm a bit confused as to how news etc works, though, it currently seems to be all over the place and it's difficult to maintain it for someone who doesn't know exactly how... Gryzor 20:37, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

currently the tag Template:Wikipedia doesnt seem to work howcome... It does over at C64 Wiki :-) --CPCLER 18:34, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

Mmmm..... can you give an example? Gryzor 20:41, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

Yep.. over at The C64 WIKI under section LINK. OK i could just link directly!!! But.....